The current president is Don Adams. I am just setting out one of the possibilities. 7 The proclamation of peace and security precedes Jehovahs day. (Read 1Thessalonians 5:1-6.) 6/1/99 and 8/15/99 Watchtowers each had articles that drew the parallel between the JWs work and Noah's. 1879 was the start of The Watchtower and 1999 was 120 years later. - Genesis 6:17", Page 15, Paragraph 7 "Noah received the warning of the upcoming catastrophe decades in advance and he wisely used the time to prepare for survival.' How do we know that Armageddon refers to a symbolic place? Strictly speaking, it refers to the situation to which the kings of the entire inhabited earth are gathered in opposition to Jehovah. Danker, et al., Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, Chicago: University of Chicago, 2000, p. 191). 16. He will vent that rage by using demonic propagandaunclean inspired expressionsto cause a coalition of nations to turn on Jehovahs servants. Har-Magedon, or Armageddon, means the "mountain of the assembly of troops", and it refers in a symbolic way to the capital organization of Zion where Jehovah God has enthroned Christ Jesus as earth's rightful ruler. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/65453/1/Comments-You-Will-Not-Hear-at-the-1-25-04-WT-Study. 11:3; Acts 14:23. For example, by the waters of Megiddo, God helped Israelite Judge Barak defeat a Canaanite army led by a chief named Sisera. ', 1889 "In the coming 26 years, all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." To read into this text societal conditions that apply exclusively to the modern era, as a sign of the end, is a colossal interpretative blunder. That great historical event took place in the year 1914, conclusive proof concerning this having already appeared in the . *** Watchtower 1972 August 1 p.458 Loving Oversight of the Congregation of God ***, THEOCRATIC APPOINTMENT IN THE CONGREGATION. 13. The Watchtower december 15,2003 titled: Who compose Jesus family? But what will happen then? Amber Scorah writes about exiting the Jehovah's Witnesses in Leaving the Witness. Im not questioning the argument for the presence being some period of time, it is simply that to use these verses (Matthew 24:37-39 and Luke 12:26-28) to definitively do so creates more questions and speculation than it needs to, given all of the other proof texts and reasoning that could be used (to support the parousia being a period of time). This way they can simply say that we "read to much" into the explanation given. And all that without upsetting the majority of its members. Revelation is clear that it is the Kings of the earth versus God. The common-sense rules of responsible exegesis are thrust aside with reckless abandon. . 15. And the mountains were not found. (b)Why will this be a dangerous lie? class. (Ezek. ***. A replacement for Freddy is still awaited. Can't they take the middle ground? (Acts 1:6) But because expectations have at times been premature and so have not been fulfilled, does this mean that God has somehow changed his purpose? (2 Tim. A quarter of a century ago I filed a copy of the Watchtower magazine (published and distributed by the Jehovahs Witnesses). but this is the central "seven times" framework which apostate Jehovah's witnesses are now trying to "trample" to buried meaninglessness . Or will ordinary Witnesses see through the date setting because of the flood of information on the Internet? *** Watchtower 1964 October 1 p.601 Pay Attention to Prophecy ***. friends, Ijust ran across this. It wasn't clearly subjected at all but, as usual, they used their twisted words Tour de Garde du 15 Dcembre 2003 Extraits: " 6 : "Aux jours de No, Jhovah a dclar " Mon esprit n'agira pas envers l'homme indfiniment, puisqu'il est galement chair. The 'end' did not come. | I didn't see this as an endorsement of 2035 as the end, but rather a statement that there's still lots of time left. what if jehovah's witnesses are right about armageddon? What does it mean to obey the good news about our Lord Jesus? A financial crisis (hundreds of millions in just U.S., Can, and U.K. alone) could precipitate this shrinkage in an organization already pressed for funds. One wild card in this time table is whether or not the abuse lawsuits succeed in stripping the new mirror corp.'s of their assets in the coming years. You would think that somebody who had the absolute truth would have a track record of at least having absolute truth for some amount of time, before they had to change it. (Daniel 12:4) How should we respond to warnings we have been given? 20 Think how thrilled you will be when Babylon the Great is gone and when Armageddon is over! This apparently mirrored the mood of reform within the Catholic Church at the time. 16 Whether we have been in the truth for many years or not, to be saved at Armageddon, we must show that we know God and that we obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. (2Thess. Can you post the appropriate segment of the French version? Jesus will hurl him and his demons into an abyss, where they will be locked away for a thousand years.Rev. 16:5-7; 19:1, 2. After the destruction of all false religious organizations, Gods people will stand out like a lone tree that survived a fierce storm. Third, as we will see later in this article, the war of Armageddon will begin when the worlds kings attack Gods people, who are scattered throughout the earth. In my opinion the ONLY reason they haven't taken this and run with it is that 2034 is still TOO FAR AWAY for them to maintain the urgency and fear they need in the rank and file. That's the beauty of religion and superstition, it has no limits. These ones. 14 Gog will trust in his arm of fleshhis military might. The berating talks, guilt inducing WT studies, pressure from the CO & DOs, placement of MTS grads, none have really worked. This works for the current GB as some of them will be alive in 2034 but all will be dead by 2154! Very soon they will be given that opportunity. Back in the 1960s there was, seemingly, a brief period of relaxation in authoritarianism among Jehovah's Witnesses. They will then be part of the heavenly armies that will crush Gog and safeguard a great crowd of sheeplike ones. Introduction. Institute tithing at some point so they can reasonably budget and make a go of it. In what ways will Christ be completely victorious? PRIVACY SETTINGS, https://assetsnffrgf-a.akamaihd.net/assets/m/2019561/univ/art/2019561_univ_sqr_xl.jpg, THE WATCHTOWERSTUDY EDITION September2019, https://assetsnffrgf-a.akamaihd.net/assets/a/w/E/201909/wpub/w_E_201909_lg.jpg. She has used her power and influence to exploit her flocks. According to Revelation 17:1, 6 and 18:24, why will Jehovah destroy Babylon the Great? About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . Jehovah's Witnesses are a Christian religious sect rooted in the Adventist movement of the late 1800s and early 1900s. ^ par. Scans of the english article were posted here a while back. Wreckage from a plane crash is shown on Holston Mountain near Elizabethton on Sunday. Sadly, this trend is affecting Jehovah's Witnesses around the world. More important, imagine how profoundly happy you will be when Gods name and sovereignty have been fully vindicated! By that time I hope my kid is a millionaire helping to support me in my retirement. The man . Do Jehovah?s Witnesses claim that Jehovah God speaks through them? 33:22; Heb. She has prostituted herself spiritually by forming alliances with earths rulers. Furthermore, followers of the sect are three times more likely to be diagnosed as suffering . Alas, such appears not to be in the foreseeable future. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Oracle/9941/succeed_fail1.html. SONG 143 Keep Working, Watching, and Waiting. 2034 was one of the dates Newton determined. They were not the first group to resist mandatory recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools, but their resistance was the most widespread, coordinated, and uncompromising. Yep just as they said Moses screwed up too, only they failed to point out that he was condemed to not see the Promised Land. ***. Prior to 1914, Jehovah's Witnesses believed that Armageddon would end in 1914, and this included the fall of false religion (including Christendom) and the end of all earthly governments followed by heavenly and earthly resurrections and the establishment of paradise on earth. Coming up on 2034 there will be a fall back plan developed. Jehovah has allowed the nations time to experiment with all different forms of government. All this activity is not an accident. The prospect of dying at Armageddon is a terrible thing for a Jehovahs Witness because they are taught that . For further information, consult the article on this web site: A Study of Matthew Twenty-four. 32:8) We will trust in Jehovah our Goda stand that will seem foolish to the nations. Jehovahs Witnesses teaches that Armageddon will start in the year 2034. They can either come out with the date soon in the hope of short-term gains - or they can keep it under their hat until the mid-2020s. Don't cry Slimboy, its early here on the east coast on my side of the pond and most of the rest of the yanks are still in bed, I'll give it a read after my next cup of joe. Prior to 1975, it was widely taught among the Witnesses that that year would usher in the end. When such did not occur, thousands abandoned the movement. Lots of threats - pandemic, China, Russia, terrorism and no real integrity in leadership are unnerving, however the JW's have a clear and tangible history of falsely prophesying Armageddon, actually 6 or 7 separate and distinct episodes in their brief ~140 year history - yes "God's Organization" is less than 200 yrs old as while Jesus walked . Even the republics will disappear in the fall of 1920. (Prov. First, he will destroy Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion. Proof they already started on this road. "Jehovah has kept these warnings in front of his people by means of timely reminders through the spiritual food provided by 'the faithful and discreet slave'". I would seem that things are being revealed at the proper time to encourage the preaching work. 17. marked the beginning of the end for that ungodly world. 15 Christ and his heavenly armies will defend Gods people and crush Gogs hordes. Religion is the most profitable legal business because religions can misquote, misrepresent, and use unethical practices without fear of punishment. jw Rather, he compared his presence to the much longer period of time that led up to the Flood. I tried to use reasoning but it didn't work: 4 The fact that the word pa-rou-si'a refers to an extended period of time harmonizes with what Jesus said with regard to his presence. 28 Likewise, just as it occurred in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building.. I am the new Prophet.I am annointed..DAMMIT. watchtower To teach his disciples the importance of keeping on the watch, Jesus told them: "Note the fig tree and all the other trees: When they are already in the bud, by observing it you know for yourselves that now the summer is near.". But this lie will be especially dangerous because it will give people a false sense of security just before the greatest tribulation in human history begins. 1986 June 8 p.9 "Would That All Were Prophets!" 16:16. expand all. 1. Armageddon isn't what they say it is anyhow, even if it were true. They were guilty of false prophesying. The fact of the matter is, however, the Watchtower folks concede that Christs application was to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in A.D. 70. Nothing is said about God bringing a genocide. ", I asked. You would likely increase cash flow. Jehovah's Witnesses originated as a branch of the Bible Student movement, which developed in the United States in the 1870s among followers of Christian restorationist minister Charles Taze Russell.Bible Student missionaries were sent to England in 1881 and the first overseas branch was opened in London in 1900. Maybe they're use this one after 2034 hope proves false hope once again. Back in 1998, before I read anything apostate, I was having a conversation with an elderly sister about when the end might come. And oh yeah! slimboyfat. The Greek word used in Luke for occurred (ginomai) speaks to a happening, and more specifically the context reveals a happening within the days of Noah, the event rather than the days being the primary discussion as is seen in Thayer's Lexicon Definitions: A prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. After 15 years of dwindling committment levels in first world countries (where the donations come from), I firmly believe the WT leadership is aware of the problem. The phrase is taken from Jesus' words in the book of Matthew. Jehovah God is therefore the only Supreme Court of interpretation of His inspired word. To such remnant of faithful servants of Jehovah God Christ Jesus has entrusted all ?his goods?, or earthly interests of the Kingdom. (1Cor. cecinissem casuri agitandarum radiaretis inhibere domuum in Hebrew Gematria equals 2191: c 3 e 5 c 3 i 9 n 40 i 9 s 90 s 90 e 5 m 30 0 c 3 a 1 s 90 u 200 r 80 i 9 0 a 1 g 7 i 9 t 100 a 1 n 40 d 4 a 1 r 80 u 200 m 30 0 r 80 a 1 d 4 i 9 a 1 r 80 e 5 t 100 i 9 s 90 0 i 9 n 40 h 8 i 9 b 2 e 5 in Hebrew Gematria equals 2191: c 3 e 5 c 3 i 9 n 40 i 9 s 90 s 90 e 5 m 30 0 c 3 . The Jehovah's Witnesses believe that saluting flags, including that of the United States, is tantamount to worshipping a graven image. Before the war of Armageddon begins, all of the 144,000 will have been raised to heaven as immortal spirits. 1989 Jehovah?s prophetic word through Christ Jesus is: ?This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur.? 6. Either that or there is a contradiction between Matthew and Luke on this matter. A subsequent feature article by the same name followed (pp. They say the term "God," is merely a title, and that the real name for God is "Jehovah.". ):--arise, be assembled, be(-come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought. -2 Thess. 202-203 ***. In my opinion, there are 2 ways they can go: 1 - Mainstream - drop shunning, make blood conscious matter, focus less on field service and more on community projects (sort of like the LDS), turn Bethel into the JW version of BYU, push getting a good education instead of vilifying college, etc. It is Gods spirit that bears witness with that persons spirit that anoints them with the heavenly hope. 4:18)"February 15, 1981, page 19. From what I've read in the forum, the doctrine change has been a fairly stealthy one and hasn't fully registered in the consciousness of the rank and file (especially with the WTS still shouting the "end is near! Copyright 2023 Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. The memory of 1975 is still too fresh for many, and they know their critics (us) will quickly sieze upon such mistakes. 15 " Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep's covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. One of the biggest problems for the governing body is that 2034 is an awful long time away. (Ps. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. *** w86 3/15 p. 19 Allow No Place for the Devil! Period. The cover of that particular issue dramatically asked: Are we nearing Armageddon? (Watchtower, October 15, 1980). 16:13,14) That coalition is called Gog of the land of Magog. When the nations launch their attack, they will have arrived at the symbolic place called Armageddon.Rev. The governing body (especially the young ones and future appointees) will panic when they realise that tinkering (15 mins for old publishers and pioneer requirement shifts) has not done the trick. A former Jehovah's Witness has offered a rare insight into the religious group, describing it as a cult that "tries to control emotions, thought, information and behavior of a person". | 18:7,8. Just as the early Christian congregation collectively served as the channel of communication from heaven to earth, so in our time. alan mcgee gemma interview . 2 - Set an end date at 2034 and attempt to repeat the amount of growth they got in the 20 years prior to 1975. Why do they have to go from one extreme to another? With these rich truths to light the way, Christians do not grope in this dark, jungle-like world as do the masses of people in Christendom and heathendom alike. "The year 1940 is certain to be the most important year yet, because Armageddon is very near. when would they say their 144,000 would come from. Armageddon meaning jehovah witness. *** Watchtower 1983 February 15 p.12 You Can Live Forever in. 17:3,16) That swift destructionas if in one daywill come as a shock to those who supported her. 9:26) (Aid to Bible Understanding, Brooklyn, NY: Watchtower Society, 1971, p. 642). The Witnesses, however, assign a most strange interpretation to the phrase. New features of the work have required new methods, which has meant revisions and changes from time to time in organization instructions, but it is all a part of the advancement of Jehovah's theocratically controlled organization under the immediate direction of Jehovah God himself. Thieves! Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. This does not signify that the faithful remnant or society of Jehovah?s anointed witnesses are an earthly tribunal of interpretation, delegated to interpret the Scriptures and its prophecies. It's obvious to me that leadership needs to fire up the members in some way. 19:16) This is what makes the congregation theocratic in structure, adhering to God-rule. Some Dubs believed the year 2000 would not arrive before Armageddon. Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. This is a really just a preparatory question which should have an obvious answer, but it is designed to introduce the idea that there may be a disparity between the Watchtower and the Bible. 19:2) How will Jehovah destroy Babylon the Great? (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired and unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment of his Son's words in a relatively short time." In what order will God destroy Satans world? The WBTS continued through the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s, to warn that Armageddon was coming near. Armageddon is just ahead. (2Chron. If they keep going the way they do, I see a slow death by a thousand cuts. ( Gense 6:3) Ce decret divin mis en 2490 avant notre re marqu le commencement de la fin pour le monde impie. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.' A quarter of a century ago I filed a copy of the Watchtower magazine (published and distributed by the "Jehovah's Witnesses"). 4. Because to be known by him can mean having Gods approval. Time will tell. Either you are "over-eagar" OR you are "spiritually asleep.". He plainly declared: this generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished (v. 34). Jehovah's Witnesses - for indeed, it is they - are stepping up their presence in city centres across the UK in an effort to attract converts to a church that claims more than 8 million . Jehovah's Witnesses, however, expected that the . Yes, the survivors will be absolutely right when they proclaim, "Jehovah God, the Almighty, true and righteous are your judicial decisions."Rev. Its mission is to reveal documents, files, and publications that are kept secret from the vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses, particularly vulnerable persons and women. Remember they are inspired but not directed by the active force. *** Awake! All rights reserved. Zoning, tax questions. 8:3) How so? We can imagine how the world will respond. Pin On Jehovah S Witnesses On The Move . And so will many other people. They proudly bear his name, and they have obeyed his command to flee from Babylon the Great. Yet nothing happened. They're probably waiting for some newsworthy event to take place and they'll call it a "sign". Did not Moses make a 40-year miscalculation in trying to act ahead of time to remove Israel's affliction? Personally, having lived through the 1975 era as an adult, fully aware of the speculation and expectations associated with that time, along with the effect that it had on brothers around me, I am not excited to see the prospect of a similar event occurring as a result of the above statements. "Why 1999? Questions From Readers Second Peter 3:10 says: "Jehovah's day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered.". For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power therefore. What events will lead up to it? . 18. Some Dubs believed the year 2000 would not arrive before Armageddon. (Job 38:22, 23; Ezek. The Jehovah's Witnesses website provides details on the 1.7 million-square-foot project, known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. If the latter - then they are going to have some problems in giving incentives for making people stay until the new prediction is made. As I stated earlier about the account in Luke 17:26-28 referring to the occurrence (event) of the end versus the period of time it would seem that clear thinking would prevent us from trying to attach a length of time of any sort to the presence of Jesus Christ based upon the account in Matthew citied in the article. You know how they expected the end of the world in 1843/4? But is it not far preferable to make some mistakes because of overeagerness to see God's purposes accomplished than to be spiritually asleep as to the fulfillment of Bible prophecy? 8 Replies so looks like they have a new way of conning innocent folk,feckin barstewards! 77:12) These activities, along with a full share in the ministry, will keep our faith strong and our hope alive! 1. A few weeks later, the Jehovah's Witnesses closed on a $200 million sale of that building to the private equity firm Kayne Anderson Real Estate Advisors, which plans to turn the property into . Tweet. Rather, he will destroy it in two main stages. The misnamed Jehovahs Witnesses have a long, undistinguished history of setting dates. We also show that we know him when we love and obey him and give him our exclusive devotion. That war will save mankind by removing the wicked and preserving the righteous. 10 The judgment on the great prostitute. (Read Revelation 17:1,6; 18:24.) But the powers-that-be in Brooklyn learned nothing from this mishap.Even today, this cult thrives on attempting to capitalize upon international events, suggesting that such are indicators of the impending Armageddon.. There is little surprise that the movement frequently has been dubbed a non-prophet enterprise. (b)What questions will we consider in this article?